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My mom was the most cautious, overprotective person in the world.

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For them to say that she left the church to walk across the street in 12 degree weather,

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dark of night, where it was icy and snowy, into a foot of freezing cold water to take

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her own life, it just doesn't make sense.

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Who did your mom fear?

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That's a sensitive subject at this time.

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People within the family, people close to the family?

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I can't say that right now.

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Can you just say your full name for the record?

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Daniel Jensen, J-E-M-S-E-N.

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Where was her car found?

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It was on a one-way exit drive adjacent to the church, approximately 100 feet from the

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lakeside.

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It was the only car on that exit drive.

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It was almost 10 o'clock at night.

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The church appeared dark and there was really no good reason for it to be there.

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The officer approached the parked vehicle, illuminated same.

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We saw the purse in the car, checked down to the water, and saw the footprints.

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There was the two prints in the snow from apparently where someone sat down with hand

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prints alongside of it.

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It slid to the second level, another butt print hand prints.

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The minute the footprints and the butt prints were seen, it was confirmed immediately by

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all three officers on the scene.

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They sincerely believed there was a person in the water.

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It went to immediate request for help for a search and rescue operation.

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We have a possibility, a good chance that we may be able to save a life.

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That night, my mom had a 7 p.m. prayer service that she would attend and at this point it's

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9.20.

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And my brother's upstairs sleeping and I'm getting, you know, just put my pajamas on.

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And I see a car come around the corner.

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I was like, oh, there's mom.

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And I looked out and it was a police officer.

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And I said, can I help you?

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And he said, yes, we found your mother's car abandoned in the church parking lot.

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Is she missing?

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We start calling her phone like that second and her phone's going right to voicemail.

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So her phone's off.

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I was 29, my sister Kelly was 27 and my brother Michael was 20.

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My mom and my dad were separated and they didn't really get along that well.

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Me and my siblings, we all lived together with my mom.

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And so that night we started calling family friends and, you know, anybody that she could

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have gone to get coffee with.

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No, everyone's like, no, we didn't hear from her.

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We're not with her.

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My niece Michelle called me and said, get over here right away.

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And she was totally freaked out.

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She said, two gross point woods police officers came to the house and said, my mom's missing.

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And I was like, what?

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She said, OK, let's get over to St. Paul's church because apparently that's where her

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car is.

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My mom was 55.

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She was full of life.

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The best mom, just the warmest heart.

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And we were just really a close knit family.

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My mom was a great lady.

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Everyone's best friend.

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Like happy, fun to be around.

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Our house was the house to be at when we were growing up.

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All the friends were over.

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It made her happy to see us with her friends.

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She was an angel.

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Just a great soul, you know, out to help everybody.

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She was my favorite sister and the closest person to me.

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She was pretty much everything I made.

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When we pull up at the church, we see crime scene tape around the car.

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And there's always a place everywhere.

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We're like, what is happening right now?

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My mom's car was parked in the driveway of St. Paul Catholic Church.

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The car is locked.

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The keys were nowhere to be found at that time.

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Her cell phone was missing.

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Her purse is on the front seat.

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She's never left her purse behind.

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So when I saw the purse in the car, I was extremely nervous at that point.

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We're all running around the ground of the church, you know, when we are just searching

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through every spot you could possibly get into inside the building, outside the building.

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So the fact that we're now approaching three hours at night and no one's heard from her,

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something's wrong.

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It was a shit show.

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It seemed like the whole Coast Guard, whatever it was, a helicopter and divers and all kinds

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of Coast Guard equipment.

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They had the Grosspoint Farms cops there.

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We start just asking, what's going on?

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They're like, oh, we think your mom walked into the water.

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There's no way she's in the water.

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It was freezing.

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I just remember it being just so cold and you're just shivering.

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The water was partially frozen.

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It was one to two feet deep.

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You could see the rocks.

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They basically said we think that your mom walked from the car to the water and committed

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suicide.

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There were no signs of a struggle either around the car or in the car.

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There were no signs of any, for example, torn clothing, items on the ground, purse dumped,

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car ransacked, scuff marks or drag marks around the scene, blood, bullet casings, any type

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of evidence that would lead one to believe that a crime occurred.

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It was 4 AM.

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Nobody had heard from her.

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They called off the helicopters and they towed the Lexus to the police station.

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We just had no idea where she could be.

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She had vanished.

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We did the fingerprinting of the car.

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I did.

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And what were the results?

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There were no clear fingerprints.

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How's the blood just?

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None of the purse.

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None of anything inside the car.

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We didn't fingerprint the purse.

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How about the door handles?

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Inside or outside?

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No fingerprints from?

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No usable prints.

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Joanne Matuke Romain disappeared.

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The 55-year-old woman from Gros Point Woods was last seen in her church.

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Suicide speculated but nobody was found and there's little current if she went in here.

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She could have been here.

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My mom worked part-time at a boutique in Gros Point.

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Gros Point is the suburb bordering Detroit.

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It is a very rich community, a very tight community.

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Everybody knows everybody's business.

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If you were born there, you're basically raised there and you stay there.

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Everybody ever truly leaves Gros Point.

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My mom definitely loved it.

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Her social life on a weekly basis was just having lunch with girlfriends, inviting people

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over to the house for dinner, having our friends over, having family over.

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It was just a very active, loving lifestyle.

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My mom had a lot of friends.

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So for my mom to disappear, it was the end of the world for a lot of people.

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We were putting flyers together.

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We had a mass search.

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People were looking in woods and dumpsters.

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Anywhere that she could possibly be, we just had no idea where she could be.

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There was an extensive three-day search in the area that the police had alleged my mom

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had entered the water.

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There's no current.

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It's clear.

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It's a foot or two feet deep.

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And the night she disappeared, she was wearing a black blouse, black pants, black high-heeled

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shoes, a black coat.

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You would be able to clearly see her if she was here.

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The hippie diving team searched for three more days to officially say she's not in

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here.

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The search that we had done for Mrs. Romaine was the most thorough search that I've ever

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done or my team has ever done.

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We found a lot of cold water, a lot of ice, and unfortunately not Mrs. Romaine.

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I just don't think that she was in that location.

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There was nothing found indicating that a person stepped onto broken ice and or entered

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the water, right?

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Correct.

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So there was no evidence that she actually went in the water, right?

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Correct.

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She would have had to cross the initial two-lane traffic, gone to the median, cross the other

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two-lane traffic, and then gone over to the embankment where the water would have been,

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which was very steep and icy and would make no sense for anybody to be over there at that

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time of night and that temperature.

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It was snowy on the ground.

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She's not going anywhere near water that she could possibly slip and fall into.

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That's not her.

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Not my mom.

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Not this little lady who was cautious for everything.

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Something's wrong.

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Someone took her.

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She's somewhere.

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And we're going to find her.

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I can't believe this isn't my life right now.

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We're talking about a lady that went to church and cooked.

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That's all she did.

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Police believe the gross point of Wood's mother committed suicide.

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Her family does not.

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Joanne is probably the one person that I know that would never commit suicide.

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She had such great faith.

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There's no way that she was going to end her life and walk away from her kids.

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Never happen.

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There was no suicide note.

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She was never on any medications.

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My mom always was.

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And as she got older, it became more of it about Catholic going to church more than just

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on Sundays, you know, going during the week.

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If you're worried about Catholic suicide is against all beliefs.

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Joanne and I were friends since the fourth grade at St. Joan of Arc Elementary School.

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I talked to her three days before she disappeared.

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She was upbeat.

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She and I had a good laugh about something that had occurred in my life.

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And I remember at the end, we both kind of shared, I love you.

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See you soon.

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Joanne never displayed to me any signs of depression.

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She would never leave her children.

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They were her life.

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They were her everything.

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The police's theory was she committed suicide close case.

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I believe it was foul play because she would never just disappear.

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January 12, 2010, family's nightmare began right here at St. Paul Catholic Church in

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Grose Point, Michigan.

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I hired Salva Australia to come out as an expert crime scene investigator and also as

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a water expert to help solve this case.

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Her car was found in the parking lot there behind these cars that you see in our view.

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A couple cars back.

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Mr. Claim she jumped in the water or got into the water somehow and committed suicide.

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I have traveled literally all over the country and looked at cases like this.

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And something I've seen over my career, even in law enforcement, was officers that get

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on a scene and right away they think it's a suicide.

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Everything after that is geared towards proving the theory of a suicide.

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And when I started looking at the photographs that they took of these apparent footprints,

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all you see is basically something walk through.

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And it could have been anybody or anything based on those photographs.

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The one thing they didn't do, which is elementary in footwear impression work, is to take 90

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degree photographs.

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In other words, you know, you set a camera up on a tripod and shoot a picture straight

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down on top with the scale on it so you can enlarge that image to actual size and then

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compare it and any law enforcement officer that's been trained should have ever omitted

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those kind of photographs.

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That's one of the things that was crucial in this case.

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It isn't a confirmed exact footprint.

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There's a footprint and then another one with some sliding going on, but it was evident

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to Detective McCarthy that it appeared to be a small, high-heeled boot.

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Did any footprint experts review those photographs at all?

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Not that I'm aware of, sir.

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No.

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Okay.

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Mr. Romain was supposed to be wearing a pair of four-inch high heels.

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And she was alleged to have traversed this with high heels on in the snow, in the dark.

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I was kind of curious to see what it would be like for a woman wearing similar shoes

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to traverse this.

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It was dark.

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Okay, here we go.

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And it was full of snow and ice.

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And she was wearing shoes like you're wearing, which obviously is difficult for you and

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difficult for me.

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Please let that both go in.

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And this had ice on it.

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I don't know how anybody...

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It would have been snow and ice.

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Now we got this bad crevice here.

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So I'm going to stop here.

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Okay.

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If you want to come a little further, just watch your footing before you go to the next

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step.

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Let's see.

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You want to come one more?

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Yeah.

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Get you on level ground.

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This is old.

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Are you okay?

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Yeah.

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When I came here for the very first time and saw this slope, there's no way a woman could

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have done this in heels.

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And you just proved it without the snow and ice.

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Then they claim that she made her way across that next level and then down into the water.

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So that meant she would have had to drop five feet or more off that ledge down to the boulder

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strewn bottom.

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The chief of police here said, he knew it was a suicide in five minutes.

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He said, you must have a crystal ball because in my 30-some-odd years doing this, there's

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no way you can ascertain something is what it is in five minutes.

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It's not going to happen.

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You always have a glimpse of hope that they're still alive.

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But as the days turn into weeks, turn into months, you realize your odds are slim.

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It's just a very traumatic event to happen to have your mom disappear.

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And for my brother and sister, it's been extremely difficult.

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My brother, Michael, emotionally is a wreck.

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He still is.

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And it was very hard for him to talk about any of this.

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I'm the oldest, so I knew I was going to have to take this into my own hands.

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And I need to find the witnesses that saw something.

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I need to go back to that night, and I need to re-walk the steps of what occurred and

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what they're saying happened versus what could have possibly happened.

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The day she disappeared, my mom dropped my brother off at home and told him, I'm going

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to go fill up gas for the next morning.

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I'll be right back.

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Joanne was a really good friend of ours and a good customer for a very long time.

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So the night that Joanne came in here, actually she was just like normal, very happy, cheerful.

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I went out there, pumped her gas for her, nothing out of the ordinary.

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We just had our normal conversations, how's the day going, how's the family, you know,

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talking about her daughters and so on and so forth.

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And then she was on her way and that was it.

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There was a prayer service at 7 p.m.

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It was about 15 to 20 minute prayer service.

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From what we know, after she went to get gas, she decided to go to the church.

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So it was a very routine thing for her to do, and if she could make it to it, she would.

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There was only about 10 or 15 people in the entire prayer service, so it was a very small

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thing.

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There is a witness that identified my mom in the church.

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They were sitting in the front of the church by the altar and my mom was sitting in the

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back of the church.

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So when they had turned around, they saw her in the aisle and she departed at 7 p.m.

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when the service ended.

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Within the month of my mom disappearing, I hired, retired FBI agent Bill Randall to

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help solve this case.

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Originally when Michelle and Kelly met with me and told me what had occurred, I said the

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first thing we needed to do was to get a copy of my mother's cell phone records.

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There was one number in particular.

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We called the number and found out it was a security company.

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We, prior to her disappearance, Joanne had left a voicemail and she was attempting to

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contact an investigator.

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I think she believed she was being followed by person or persons unknown and she was concerned.

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In the weeks leading up to my mom's disappearance, she did seem more nervous, more cautious.

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And I personally wasn't paying as much attention as I probably should have until she disappeared.

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She was acting very troubled, not herself, very scared.

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She wouldn't tell me what she was concerned about and she always told me everything.

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Almost like if she told me she would put her kids or myself in jeopardy.

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So I was like, what's going on?

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Like something's not right.

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I contacted a number of people.

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I contacted a woman that owns a clothing store where Joanne worked and I also talked to one

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of her co-workers.

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One of the persons that I talked to indicated to me that starting around January the 7th

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to January 8th of 2010 that Joanne was receiving more calls than usual and that she would always

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walk away to talk to whoever the party was that she was on the phone with and that was

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very uncommon for her to do so.

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There was an instance where she felt that her mail was being interdicted from the post office

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and that there was someone, someone had followed her to the post office.

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She also indicated that she felt that her phone was being tapped.

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She didn't like going many places alone and the only place she truly felt safe was church.

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I've spoke with a number of witnesses from the church.

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They indicated that they did see Joanne at the service the night she disappeared.

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After leaving the services approximately 7.15 to 7.20 pm one of the witnesses indicated

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she thought she heard the auto alarm going off on the Lexus that was driven by Joanne

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or it could have been the panic alarm.

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The witness saw the lights flashing.

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She said it lasted for about 15 seconds.

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She didn't make anything of it because there was no other disruptions so they went about

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their business.

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I interviewed another witness who was at the service.

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She indicated that she left the church at approximately 7.25 to 7.35 pm.

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She was one of the last to leave.

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She felt very uneasy because it was so dark.

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So as she proceeded towards her car she looked to the left and to the right of the drive

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and she said she noticed no vehicles parked in the driveway.

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This empty which indicates the Lexus left the church and then at some point had come back.

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It was like someone moved the car and put it close to the very same spot although not

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exactly the same spot.

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When the cops found the vehicle it was positioned right here with the front of the car aligned

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with this bush.

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So the car left and then it came back but nobody understood why.

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How good this up happened.

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It was a Saturday and I got a call from the detective.

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You need to call me back.

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At this moment I'm thinking worst case scenario like obviously something bad's happened.

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Michelle comes out of her bedroom and she's like they found mom.

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It was like a sinking feeling.

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The body was found by two fishermen on Babel Island in Amishburg Ontario where she was

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found.

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It was 35 miles from where they alleged she entered the water.

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Our worst fear came to light at that point.

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You know all these days that we're hoping and praying just you know that she'd walk

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through the door.

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Usually my mom it was like we lost everything because she really was the backbone of the

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family.

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Her brothers and sisters and just the entire family.

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So it was a huge shock and a huge adjustment and a huge loss for everybody.

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Yeah we were devastated.

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We didn't stop.

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Now let's figure out how it happened and why it happened.

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I want justice for Joanne.

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That's the bottom line.

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So right around in this area is where the GPS says her body was recovered.

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Scott Lewis is an investigative reporter for 25 years in Metro Detroit.

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Then turned PI after he retired.

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Scott came in, new fresh set of eyes on the case.

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Joanne Romain was found down in the Detroit River on the Canadian side of an island called

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Babel Island.

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This is kind of a historic island in Detroit back in the day.

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It had an amusement park on it and people about my age will tell you they remember going

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there as kids.

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Eventually it closed down and I think it became a development with housing and some other

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things.

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I didn't realize how far the travel actually was until we took this trip.

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I had the same perspective.

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It's one thing to look at it on a map and talk about 30 miles.

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You get in the car and drive 30 miles.

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It doesn't take very long.

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But when you actually get out here on the water, my God.

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So for her body to have left that shallow water along the shore with no current, it would

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have had to somehow get out into that shipping channel in the middle of the lake and then

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found its way into the Detroit River and 30 miles downriver.

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That's a little bit of a stretch for me.

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But first I wasn't sure if this was a kind of case I would want to get into.

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So what I told Michelle is that if I review your case and I think there's even a chance

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that this was a suicide, I'm done.

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If I think this is a murder, I'm in.

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I don't see anything that points to suicide.

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To begin with, who fills their gas tank on the way to commit suicide?

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That was the first red flag to me.

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If she had driven into the garage and closed the garage door and let the car run, I'd buy

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it.

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If she had shot herself, I'd buy it.

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I don't believe for one second that she walked into that lake.

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I can't see any way that you could go into two feet of calm water in a bay and somehow

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get out into the deep water with a current and end up 30 miles downriver without somebody

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finding that body with all the divers they had out in the helicopters and all the searching

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they did.

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Nobody thought out of the investigators I hired that she could have traveled from where

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the police were alleging she had entered to the vicinity and what she was found.

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The only other possibility is that she didn't enter at the location the police alleged that

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she had entered.

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That she had entered somewhere way further down, somewhere in Detroit, and that she

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was dumped.

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I'm just thinking if she struggled, if she was scared, you know, the moments before

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she entered the water, if she knew what was going on, and, you know, what her last thoughts

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were when she knew she was in danger and she wasn't going to make it.

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Joanne Romain's body was recovered on March 20, 2010.

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The body was in an advanced state of decomposition such that we couldn't make a definitive determination

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as to the time of death.

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But the body may have been there for some time as there was a gray-brown algae and zebra

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mussels that were stuck to the legs and lower extremities.

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In my opinion, Joanne Romain's death was caused by drowning, but it's certainly possible

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that she could have been dead prior to entering the water.

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The manner of her death was indeterminate, meaning that we can't differentiate between

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a homicide or a suicide or an accident.

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There may have been someone else involved or it may have been a self-inflicted drowning.

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There were two bruises to the left upper portion of the arm.

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The bruising on Joanne Romain's upper arm certainly could have been the result of an

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assault or some kind of injury inflicted by another person, or it could represent just

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two coincidental bruises to the arm.

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However, it would be my opinion that those bruises were anti-mortem or occurred before

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death.

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So this was my mom's brand new designer purse that she had purchased about six weeks before

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she disappeared.

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And this is the condition it was in when we got the purse back from the police.

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It's ripped.

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There's a big hole where the rip was.

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My mom always had her purse on her left shoulder like this, and she had contusions on her upper

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left arm, which is the same place that she carried her purse.

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So that's just another piece of evidence that suggests she was grabbed.

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Her purse was ripped.

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To me, that is important evidence that there was a crime that committed against her that

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she did not commit suicide.

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You're aware that Ms. Romain's purse was found in the car, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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You're aware that it was torn, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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Why do you believe it's not evidence of a crime?

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Because where the tear was.

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Where was the tear?

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The tear was not on a strap.

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It didn't appear to come from a physical struggle.

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There was no buckle torn free.

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There was no rivet torn.

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It came from by the flap area of the purse.

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They never fingerprinted the purse.

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They never got any DNA off of it.

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They never tested it for any DNA.

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And they just acted like, oh, no big deal.

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So it's shredded and torn.

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That's just probably how it was.

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And just let it go like that.

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When they found my mom's body, her car keys were found zipped up in her coat pocket.

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Now, what bothers me about that is that everything was zipped up.

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Her coat pockets were zipped up.

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Her jacket was zipped up toward chin.

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That didn't make sense.

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Because she never zipped up her jacket.

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It's not something she would have done.

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There's two things that were missing.

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And it was her rosary and her cell phone.

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Both are things that she would have had in her coat pocket.

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When there's some type of crime committed,

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what's the first thing you want to get rid of?

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A cell phone, because you can track a cell phone.

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The other thing was that her shoes were intact.

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The police assert that she walked down an embankment over some concrete rods

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into some rocks, walked out 100 yards to drown herself.

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Now, the entire bottom of the lake is rocky.

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Her clothes were intact.

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Her shoes were still on.

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So it didn't really seem that she had been traveling too far and gone through too much

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to have all of her clothes still on, her shoes still intact,

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you know, her jewelry still on.

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It's very odd.

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I believe that my mama was abducted while walking out of church.

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She was grabbed from the left side where the bruises and contusions are on her arm

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and her purse was ripped.

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Pushed into her own car where the abductor then drove away in her vehicle.

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They took her somewhere along the Detroit River,

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rendered her unconscious or killed her, put her body in the water,

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drove the car back to the church,

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parked it in a spot where it would maybe get a little attention,

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and created the scene in the snow with the trampled footprints

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and the butt marks in the snow.

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Her car being moved from the location and back to the church

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indicates it was foul play.

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Whoever did this wanted it to look like a suicide,

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so they left her purse on the seat of the car after they abducted her and took her.

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Did the fact that this Alexis was not in the parking lot,

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according to a number of witnesses,

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and then was in the parking lot later that evening,

487
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:21,660
did that particular fact or that evidence

488
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:27,060
make you think one way or another about whether or not this was an abduction,

489
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:29,060
suicide or something suspicious?

490
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:30,060
No.

491
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:36,660
I believe that more than one person abducted my sister Joanne.

492
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:39,660
I think they took her to scare her.

493
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:41,660
I really do think that.

494
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:44,660
I don't think the intention was to kill her.

495
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:47,660
If it wasn't a robbery motive, which it didn't appear to be,

496
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:52,260
it could have been some sort of an issue between her and someone else,

497
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:55,260
a family member, I mean, because most of the time it is family,

498
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:59,260
but not all the time, or someone that you knew that knew she'd be there,

499
00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:02,260
may have been following her or just knew she was going there.

500
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:09,260
We definitely know enough that it was not a suicide, it was a murder.

501
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:13,260
Once you sit back and reflect, you realize, oh, wow,

502
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:16,260
look at all these dots that do not connect.

503
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:21,260
I think that's the reason why I'm so happy.

504
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:25,260
Initially, I told the police there was potentially several suspects.

505
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:28,260
Joanne was my father.

506
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:33,260
My mom and my dad, they were married a long time, 25 years.

507
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:36,260
Towards the end, the reason they separated was

508
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:39,260
she just got to a point she was fed up and, you know,

509
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:42,260
she just wanted to live like a peaceful, happy life

510
00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:46,260
instead of a toxic, you know, argumentive household.

511
00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:49,860
My dad was really angry that my mom left him.

512
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:53,860
And so there's always that in the back of your mind,

513
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:55,860
like, could he have done it, something?

514
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:58,860
But I wasn't really sure, but still part of him on the list.

515
00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:01,860
I asked Michelle to contact David Romain

516
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:06,860
for the purpose of an interview, and he declined to be interviewed.

517
00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:10,860
But with my investigation, I didn't find anything that would indicate

518
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:12,860
that he had anything to do with her disappearance.

519
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:21,860
I told the police my number two suspect is Joanne Matuke, her brother.

520
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:26,860
I don't think he did anything, but I thought that there could have been people out to get Joanne,

521
00:37:26,860 --> 00:37:29,860
and it could have been a revenge on my mom because of him.

522
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:33,860
Joanne has a interesting past.

523
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,860
A lot of business deals that hadn't gone right,

524
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:40,860
and a lot of people that he allegedly owed money to.

525
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:44,860
There was rumors that Joanne had a large amount of money

526
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:49,860
that he owed to a number of people, and that this could be a plausible reason for Joanne's disappearance.

527
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:53,860
I did speak with him. He says he had nothing to do with it.

528
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:57,860
And maybe he didn't. Maybe it was someone that he was dealing with.

529
00:37:57,860 --> 00:38:00,860
Had he had some dealings with? I don't know.

530
00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:08,860
I think it's entirely possible that John got in trouble with somebody,

531
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:12,860
and everybody knew that he and Joanne were very tight.

532
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:15,860
And in some situations, she bailed him out financially.

533
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:20,860
So I think if somebody wanted to get back at John Matuke or send a message to him,

534
00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:24,860
there would be no better way to do it than to kill his sister,

535
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,860
the probably the most important person to him in his life.

536
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:35,860
Well, in 2009 and 10, I was struggling financially.

537
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:37,860
The real estate depression hit.

538
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:41,860
It was awful for everybody that had any real estate liabilities at all.

539
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:46,860
So I owed a lot of money to certain people.

540
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:52,860
It's possible that someone I had dealings with could have murdered Joanne.

541
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:54,860
I can't control that.

542
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:57,860
Sorry that this happened no matter what.

543
00:38:57,860 --> 00:39:00,860
Wish they would have done this to me.

544
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:08,860
I told the police my number one suspect must be cousin.

545
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:11,860
That was a cop. His name was Tim Matuke.

546
00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:13,860
Can you give me your full name, please?

547
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:15,860
Timothy James Matuke.

548
00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:18,860
Tim is a first cousin of my mom.

549
00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:23,860
There was a strange relationship between Tim and my mom.

550
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:27,860
We had a big family, a big loving family.

551
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:31,860
But as soon as my grandma had passed in 1994,

552
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:34,860
the family just started falling apart.

553
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:38,860
There was a lawsuit between the siblings over family inheritance,

554
00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:40,860
which was pretty substantial.

555
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,860
Money was supposed to be split five equal ways,

556
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:46,860
and it was never distributed popularly.

557
00:39:46,860 --> 00:39:51,860
And ever since that time, the family had never been the same.

558
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:56,860
When was it you last spoke to Joanne

559
00:39:56,860 --> 00:40:00,860
prior to discovering she was missing?

560
00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:03,860
It was sometime in October of 2009.

561
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:05,860
In the weeks before my mom disappeared,

562
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:07,860
Tim Matuke had called my mom.

563
00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:10,860
And she got into an argument with him.

564
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:13,860
And I don't know what he said to her exactly,

565
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:15,860
but I remember her screaming at him,

566
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:17,860
saying, how did you get my number?

567
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:19,860
Never call me again.

568
00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:22,860
I could hear him yelling, but I couldn't hear what he said.

569
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:25,860
And I heard her say, leave me and my family alone.

570
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:27,860
Never call me again.

571
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:29,860
She hung up on him.

572
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:31,860
And at that moment, she turned to me and said,

573
00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:33,860
if something happens to me, look to Tim.

574
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:36,860
Do you recall today the conversation that you had with her?

575
00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:38,860
I do.

576
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:41,860
My cousin Billy had called me and told me that Joanne

577
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:45,860
had just said to him that all of Joanne's problems

578
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,860
were because of me.

579
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:52,860
So I took exception to that, and I called Joanne's phone number.

580
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:55,860
I asked her, I said, Joanne, why would you tell people

581
00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,860
that I am the reason why Joanne's got so many problems?

582
00:40:59,860 --> 00:41:03,860
Her response to me was, you're just nothing but a big troublemaker.

583
00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:06,860
I don't even want to talk to you, and she hung up the phone.

584
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,860
Throughout all of my interviews, it became apparent

585
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:14,860
that there was a lot of infighting going on

586
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:18,860
and a lot of dislike amongst family members,

587
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:22,860
which, again, makes it even harder and more difficult

588
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:26,860
to try to get down to the root cause of Joanne's disappearance

589
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:28,860
and subsequent death.

590
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:32,860
Did you attend the funeral service of Joanne Matuke,

591
00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:34,860
who remained your cousin?

592
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:36,860
No, I did not.

593
00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:40,860
Were you specifically asked to avoid that service?

594
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:41,860
I was.

595
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:44,860
Who specifically asked that you not attend

596
00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:48,860
and pay respects to your cousins?

597
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:53,860
It came from John Matuke, and just to avoid any controversy or conflict,

598
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:56,860
we decided it was better that I don't go.

599
00:41:56,860 --> 00:42:01,860
It's my understanding that there was probably some personality clashes

600
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:03,860
between Tim and John.

601
00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:06,860
I think Tim may be harbored some bad feelings towards John,

602
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:09,860
so there's a lot of family dynamics that come into play,

603
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,860
and they kind of feed off of each other.

604
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:13,860
There was an issue between Tim and John.

605
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:14,860
They were butting heads.

606
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:17,860
Tim was always poking his nose into what John was doing.

607
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:22,860
It's just been ugly between the two of them, and it always has.

608
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:26,860
My mom was always kind of like a mentor to John.

609
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:31,860
So when John was having an issue, or especially this battle he had going on with Tim,

610
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:35,860
I felt like my mom was trying to be, you know, the mediator,

611
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:39,860
the peacekeeper of the drama that was going on.

612
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:47,860
In the back of my mind, I just keep rehashing that conversation she had with me regarding

613
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:51,860
Tim and the conversation and the fight on the phone,

614
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:56,860
even though I don't know what the content of the reasoning he's calling her is,

615
00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:00,860
but I do know that she has a fear of him, and now she's gone.

616
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:08,860
Did you at any point in time conspire with anyone to have Joe Ramatook remain murderous?

617
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:10,860
No, I did not.

618
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:14,860
I did speak with Tim Matook,

619
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:17,860
and I found him to be credible.

620
00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:22,860
I didn't find anything that would indicate that he had anything to do with her disappearance.

621
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:30,860
Was there ever a time that the department considered a crime you had been kid-emitted against Miss Romain?

622
00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:32,860
No, sir.

623
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:37,860
Do you have a belief as to how Miss Romain died?

624
00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:40,860
My belief is she committed suicide.

625
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:44,860
And not just that she committed suicide. How did she do it?

626
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:46,860
By drowning, walked into water.

627
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:51,860
So you think she just walked into the water and just kept walking?

628
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:54,860
I don't know about that. I believe she entered the water.

629
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:57,860
How far she walked without falling or whatever, I don't know.

630
00:43:57,860 --> 00:43:59,860
We have no witnesses to that.

631
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:06,860
Knowing the history of her youngest brother and the stress he may have brought into the relationship,

632
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:12,860
knowing the history of the family divide between half the family against the other half of the family,

633
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:17,860
these are all things that could lead a reasonable person such as myself in this field

634
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:21,860
to believe these are major stressors that could lead to a suicide.

635
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:33,860
In all my years in law enforcement, we don't operate on theories, we operate on facts.

636
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:40,860
All the facts that I've obtained through my interviews indicate to me that I really can't determine.

637
00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:47,860
I can't determine whether she took her own life or whether it was done through other criminal means.

638
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:24,860
My mom was a very strong spirit. As much as we miss her every day, they still feel her around a lot.

639
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:32,860
So don't really feel like she's completely gone, if that makes any sense at all.

640
00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:37,860
She gave me this rosary that I keep with me.

641
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:44,860
She wanted me to, you know, have faith. I think about her often.

642
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:50,860
I'm never going to move on until this gets exposed and solved.

643
00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:59,860
And we adjust this for her and we put certain people that I believe are responsible for the murder of my sister,

644
00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,860
where they should be, prison.

645
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:09,860
The day that she disappeared, we lost everything. It's empty.

646
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:14,860
You don't have that love anymore, you don't have that light.

647
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:23,860
I miss everything. But just, you know, that warmth and love and just comfort that she would give us.

648
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:27,860
And, you know, that's something you can never really get back.

649
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:36,860
I'm not going to let you go.

650
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,860
I'm not going to let you go.

651
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:42,860
I'm not going to let you go.

652
00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:45,860
I'm not going to let you go.

653
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:48,860
I'm not going to let you go.

654
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:51,860
I'm not going to let you go.

655
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:54,860
I'm not going to let you go.

656
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:57,860
I'm not going to let you go.

657
00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:00,860
I'm not going to let you go.

658
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:03,860
I'm not going to let you go.

659
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:33,860
You

660
00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:02,860
You